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	<title>Comments on: Nebula MV ASP.NET Starter Kit?</title>
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		<title>By: Tony Gravagno</title>
		<link>http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html/comment-page-1#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Gravagno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We&#039;re using it for a few clients now and constantly adding to it.&#160; Considering the time that&#039;s been invested so far it looks like this will be a commercial offering at some point.&#160; For our clients who may be looking at 50-100 hours of development time just to get to this baseline,&#160;we could offer it at a substatial discount from the actual development cost as part of a longer-term agreement.&#160; I really don&#039;t know yet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are two issues with this so far.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The first is that the baseline easily gets out of sync as soon as we update a client application with customizations. It becomes very difficult to roll enhancements back into the base and to roll enhancements from the base back out to our clients.&#160; I don&#039;t have a solution for this yet outside of being meticulous about using a number&#160;Design Patterns to help prevent too many dependencies among components.&#160; I also don&#039;t have time to sync code among clients and baseline, so the more we code the more out of sync it gets.&#160; I need to allocate time just to sync the packages, which is counterintuitive with the idea that this is supposed to save time. &lt;img alt=&quot;&quot; src=&quot;/blog/wp-content/plugins/editormonkey/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/omg_smile.gif&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The second issue is that we just became resellers for Telerik RAD Controls (announcements to be made soon but you read it here first!) and while I&#039;d like to incorporate these controls into the package there will be some sites that don&#039;t want to use them.&#160; So this means we&#039;ll need two different packages.&#160; There are a lot of algorithms that don&#039;t involve the UI, like the MV Membership Provider, but the Master Pages, Themes, and anything else related to Ajax all work differently.&#160; In short, you can easily &quot;ajaxify&quot; non-ajax code with the controls, but you can&#039;t &quot;unajaxify&quot; RAD Controls for an environment that doesn&#039;t want them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s where we stand now. Thanks for asking about this guys. I&#039;ll update here if anything changes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re using it for a few clients now and constantly adding to it.&nbsp; Considering the time that&#8217;s been invested so far it looks like this will be a commercial offering at some point.&nbsp; For our clients who may be looking at 50-100 hours of development time just to get to this baseline,&nbsp;we could offer it at a substatial discount from the actual development cost as part of a longer-term agreement.&nbsp; I really don&#8217;t know yet.</p>
<p>There are two issues with this so far.</p>
<p>The first is that the baseline easily gets out of sync as soon as we update a client application with customizations. It becomes very difficult to roll enhancements back into the base and to roll enhancements from the base back out to our clients.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t have a solution for this yet outside of being meticulous about using a number&nbsp;Design Patterns to help prevent too many dependencies among components.&nbsp; I also don&#8217;t have time to sync code among clients and baseline, so the more we code the more out of sync it gets.&nbsp; I need to allocate time just to sync the packages, which is counterintuitive with the idea that this is supposed to save time. <img alt="" src="/blog/wp-content/plugins/editormonkey/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/omg_smile.gif" /></p>
<p>The second issue is that we just became resellers for Telerik RAD Controls (announcements to be made soon but you read it here first!) and while I&#8217;d like to incorporate these controls into the package there will be some sites that don&#8217;t want to use them.&nbsp; So this means we&#8217;ll need two different packages.&nbsp; There are a lot of algorithms that don&#8217;t involve the UI, like the MV Membership Provider, but the Master Pages, Themes, and anything else related to Ajax all work differently.&nbsp; In short, you can easily &quot;ajaxify&quot; non-ajax code with the controls, but you can&#8217;t &quot;unajaxify&quot; RAD Controls for an environment that doesn&#8217;t want them.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where we stand now. Thanks for asking about this guys. I&#8217;ll update here if anything changes.</p>
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		<title>By: dthiot</title>
		<link>http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html/comment-page-1#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>dthiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you made any headway on the starter kit yet?&#160; As discussed previously I could provide some help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you made any headway on the starter kit yet?&nbsp; As discussed previously I could provide some help.</p>
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		<title>By: cristian</title>
		<link>http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html/comment-page-1#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>cristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 12:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea too. If you need any collaboration writing / testing let me know. I&#039;m working with mv.NET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea too. If you need any collaboration writing / testing let me know. I&#8217;m working with mv.NET.</p>
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		<title>By: excalibur21</title>
		<link>http://nebula-rnd.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html/comment-page-1#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>excalibur21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 05:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Idea will be much appreciated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Idea will be much appreciated</p>
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