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	<title>Comments on: Nebula MV ASP.NET Starter Kit?</title>
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		<title>By: Tony Gravagno</title>
		<link>http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html#comment-140</link>
		<author>Tony Gravagno</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We're using it for a few clients now and constantly adding to it.&#160; Considering the time that's been invested so far it looks like this will be a commercial offering at some point.&#160; For our clients who may be looking at 50-100 hours of development time just to get to this baseline,&#160;we could offer it at a substatial discount from the actual development cost as part of a longer-term agreement.&#160; I really don't know yet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are two issues with this so far.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The first is that the baseline easily gets out of sync as soon as we update a client application with customizations. It becomes very difficult to roll enhancements back into the base and to roll enhancements from the base back out to our clients.&#160; I don't have a solution for this yet outside of being meticulous about using a number&#160;Design Patterns to help prevent too many dependencies among components.&#160; I also don't have time to sync code among clients and baseline, so the more we code the more out of sync it gets.&#160; I need to allocate time just to sync the packages, which is counterintuitive with the idea that this is supposed to save time. &lt;img alt="" src="/blog/wp-content/plugins/editormonkey/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/omg_smile.gif" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The second issue is that we just became resellers for Telerik RAD Controls (announcements to be made soon but you read it here first!) and while I'd like to incorporate these controls into the package there will be some sites that don't want to use them.&#160; So this means we'll need two different packages.&#160; There are a lot of algorithms that don't involve the UI, like the MV Membership Provider, but the Master Pages, Themes, and anything else related to Ajax all work differently.&#160; In short, you can easily &#34;ajaxify&#34; non-ajax code with the controls, but you can't &#34;unajaxify&#34; RAD Controls for an environment that doesn't want them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That's where we stand now. Thanks for asking about this guys. I'll update here if anything changes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re using it for a few clients now and constantly adding to it.&nbsp; Considering the time that&#8217;s been invested so far it looks like this will be a commercial offering at some point.&nbsp; For our clients who may be looking at 50-100 hours of development time just to get to this baseline,&nbsp;we could offer it at a substatial discount from the actual development cost as part of a longer-term agreement.&nbsp; I really don&#8217;t know yet.</p>
<p>There are two issues with this so far.</p>
<p>The first is that the baseline easily gets out of sync as soon as we update a client application with customizations. It becomes very difficult to roll enhancements back into the base and to roll enhancements from the base back out to our clients.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t have a solution for this yet outside of being meticulous about using a number&nbsp;Design Patterns to help prevent too many dependencies among components.&nbsp; I also don&#8217;t have time to sync code among clients and baseline, so the more we code the more out of sync it gets.&nbsp; I need to allocate time just to sync the packages, which is counterintuitive with the idea that this is supposed to save time. <img alt="" src="/blog/wp-content/plugins/editormonkey/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/omg_smile.gif" /></p>
<p>The second issue is that we just became resellers for Telerik RAD Controls (announcements to be made soon but you read it here first!) and while I&#8217;d like to incorporate these controls into the package there will be some sites that don&#8217;t want to use them.&nbsp; So this means we&#8217;ll need two different packages.&nbsp; There are a lot of algorithms that don&#8217;t involve the UI, like the MV Membership Provider, but the Master Pages, Themes, and anything else related to Ajax all work differently.&nbsp; In short, you can easily &quot;ajaxify&quot; non-ajax code with the controls, but you can&#8217;t &quot;unajaxify&quot; RAD Controls for an environment that doesn&#8217;t want them.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where we stand now. Thanks for asking about this guys. I&#8217;ll update here if anything changes.</p>
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		<title>By: dthiot</title>
		<link>http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html#comment-139</link>
		<author>dthiot</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html#comment-139</guid>
		<description>Have you made any headway on the starter kit yet?&#160; As discussed previously I could provide some help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you made any headway on the starter kit yet?&nbsp; As discussed previously I could provide some help.</p>
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		<title>By: cristian</title>
		<link>http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html#comment-133</link>
		<author>cristian</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 12:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html#comment-133</guid>
		<description>I like the idea too. If you need any collaboration writing / testing let me know. I'm working with mv.NET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea too. If you need any collaboration writing / testing let me know. I&#8217;m working with mv.NET.</p>
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		<title>By: excalibur21</title>
		<link>http://Nebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/05/starterkit1.html#comment-132</link>
		<author>excalibur21</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 05:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Idea will be much appreciated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Idea will be much appreciated</p>
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